Eugenics in Govt – Forced Sterilization of Women in Custody

Eugenics in Govt – Forced Sterilization of Women in Custody

A web friend sent me this link yesterday, and suggested it as a post.
ICE whistleblower. I thought yeah that is horrible and she should post it. She asked me to instead. I hesitated.

Till early this AM, I saw a thread that put it into more than a status or frission in my soul. And I have the larger picture now.

ACLU confirmed the ICE story.
So did Vice

There is a long history in the US, Canada (and possibly other countries too) of sterilizing those in their care, esp the women. Those who are an affront to the patriarchical, supremacist view of who should in their worldview be having children. A long history that is supposedly past and now illegal

That history is one of


the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable.

The govt and church/temples deciding what we do with our bodies and fertility choices is a common problem we have faced over and over.

With issues like castration, genital mutilation and abortion.

Then medicine and science got involved and now we also have surrogates and fertility mgmt/procedures. (The world is overpopulated and kids starve to death everyday, but we need more, by any means necessary? Or just the ones wanted by the rulers?)

But this particular battle is meant to be understood as finished. Sterilization is considered to be torture and genocide. It is supposed to be illegal to remove someone’s bodily and fertility control from them, even if they are in custody. So why is ICE doing it now?


The First Nations women
in Canada too





disabled women
Canada too


Forced Sterilzation is considered to be torture and genocide by the United Nations

UN organizations call for an end to forced, coercive and involuntary sterilization
(WHO), OHCHR, UNAIDS, UNDP, UNFPA, UNICEF and UN Women, have issued a statement on “Eliminating forced, coercive and otherwise involuntary sterilization”. It reaffirms that sterilization as a method of contraception and family planning should be available, accessible to all, of good quality and free from discrimination, coercion and violence.
UNAIDS report
NIH- castration of male offenders


So if that is the position by world health and human rights agencies (which it is indeed), then why is ICE using this on detained women?
Answer – Because they can.

What are the Reasons that Pandemics Exist? Are Escalating in 2020? Will Come More Often?

What are the Reasons that Pandemics Exist? Are Escalating in 2020? Will Come More Often?

And knowing these reasons. what is stopping govts and world health leaders from acting to prevent them?

The biggest reason might be that their actions are tied to whether or not they get voted back in or not. People these days just don’t want to give up their ‘freedom’, their ‘lifestyle’ even if it kills them, literally. Thing they don’t seem to grasp though? It’s not just them they’re killing. It’s the whole planet.

If you say that, they tell you it’s all a hoax. And you’re gullible for believing it.

Here is the earth’s pandemic history:

…. reasons

7.8 Billion (2020) The current world population is 7.8 billion as of September 2020 according to the most recent United Nations estimates elaborated by Worldometer. The term “World Population” refers to the human population (the total number of humans currently living) of the world. worldometers%20of%20the%20world.)

Climate change affects the social and environmental determinants of health – clean air, safe drinking water, sufficient food and secure shelter. Between 2030 and 2050, climate change is expected to cause approximately 250 000 additional deaths per year, from malnutrition, malaria, diarrhoea and heat stress WHO

There is solid scientific evidence that increasing temperatures can lead to increased transmission of disease, through direct action on infectious agents (e.g., malarial parasites develop in the mosquito more rapidly in higher temperatures), effects on vectors (e.g., greater geographic range and longer active season for mosquitoes, ticks, etc.), or changes in host behavior (e.g., shifts in migratory bird patterns). As noted by several researchers, climate change is partly responsible for the recent resurgence and re-emergence of some diseases, especially vector-borne diseases. Warmer temperatures and changes in rainfall have created ideal conditions for vectors and the pathogens to survive in some areas that were previously inhospitable to them. nih

A new virus strain or subtype that easily transmits between humans can cause a pandemic. Bacteria that become resistant to antibiotic treatment may also be behind the rapid spread. source

zoonotic – reducing large meat processing plants and company farms

….. pandemics in history

Scientists and medical researchers have for years have differed over the exact definition of a pandemic (is it a pandemic, or an epidemic), but one thing everyone agrees on is that the word describes the widespread occurrence of disease, in excess of what might normally be expected in a geographical region.

Cholera, bubonic plague, smallpox, and influenza are some of the most brutal killers in human history. And outbreaks of these diseases across international borders, are properly defined as pandemic, especially smallpox, which throughout history, has killed between 300-500 million people in its 12,000 year existence.


Death Toll: 5 million
Cause: Unknown


Death Toll: 25 million
Cause: Bubonic Plague


THE BLACK DEATH (1346-1353)
Death Toll: 75 – 200 million
Cause: Bubonic Plague


Death Toll: 1 million
Cause: Cholera


FLU PANDEMIC (1889-1890)
Death Toll: 1 million
Cause: Influenza


Death Toll: 800,000+
Cause: Cholera


Death Toll: 20 -50 million
Cause: Influenza
1918 public health campaigns promoted masks in public/crowds and paper tissues for coughing, sneezing hygiene

When influenza appeared in the United States in 1918, Americans responded to the incursion of disease with measures used since Antiquity, such as quarantines and social distancing. During the pandemic’s zenith, many cities shut down essential services. 1918

The most effective efforts had simultaneously closed schools, churches, and theaters, and banned public gatherings. 1918


ASIAN FLU (1956-1958)
Death Toll: 2 million
Cause: Influenza


Death Toll: 1 million
Cause: Influenza


Death Toll: 36 million


….2020 – WHO

Ebola virus – Democratic Republic of the Congo
3 September
Circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 – Sudan
1 September
Yellow fever – French Guiana, France
1 August
Plague – Democratic Republic of the Congo
23 July
Influenza A(H1N2) variant virus – Brazil
9 July

…..SARS, SARS Cov2

World Health Organization (WHO), a total of 8,098 people worldwide became sick with SARS during the 2003 outbreak. Of these, 774 died. SARS 2003

As of September 1, Johns Hopkins University reported nearly 26 million people had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and nearly 853 thousand people had died because of it. 2020

Canada’s PM has Expressed an Interest in a Green Plan

Canada’s PM has Expressed an Interest in a Green Plan

that Trudeau intends to unveil soon in parliament. And due to prompting from (an internet friend) , (re: nuclear accidents) I thought I’d post on the issue.

It’s a struggle to find and use safely energy for our populations in any country. There is a balancing act between the efficacy of what we already know and use, and realizing that just because we know the devil’s name doesn’t mean we should call it out.

Whatever we replace coal and fossil fuels with comes with it’s own advantages and disadvantages. They each have an impact on their immediate environment, vary in sustainability and cost. And most of all, they vary in safety. Not only to us, but to the planet, it’s wildlife, fauna and flora. And whatever is done will impact future generations.

Energy isn’t a cut and dry matter. But it has become increasingly obvious that something needs to change.
So what are the choices? Maybe the best one would be to use a mixed plan, rather than be solely reliant on any one thing.

11. Hydrogen Gas

Unlike other forms of natural gas, hydrogen is a completely clean burning fuel. Once produced, hydrogen gas cells emit only water vapor and warm air when in use.

The major issue with this form of alternative energy is that it is mostly derived from the use of natural gas and fossil fuels. As such, it could be argued that the emissions created to extract it counteract the benefits of its use.

The process of electrolysis, which is essential for the splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen, makes this less of an issue. However, electrolysis still ranks below the previously mentioned methods for obtaining hydrogen, though research continues to make it more efficient and cost-effective.

10. Tidal Energy

While tidal energy uses the power of water to generate energy, much like with hydroelectric methods, its application actually has more in common with wind turbines in many cases.

Though it is a fairly new technology, its potential is enormous. A report produced in the United Kingdom estimated that tidal energy could meet as much as 20% of the UK’s current electricity demands.

The most common form of tidal energy generation is the use of Tidal Stream Generators. These use the kinetic energy of the ocean to power turbines, without producing the waste of fossil fuels or being as susceptible to the elements as other forms of alternative energy.

9. Biomass Energy

Biomass energy comes in a number of forms. Burning wood has been used for thousands of years to create heat, but more recent advancements have also seen waste, such as that in landfills, and alcohol products used for similar purposes.

Focusing on burning wood, the heat generated can be equivalent to that of a central heating system. Furthermore, the costs involved tend to be lower and the amount of carbon released by this kind of fuel falls below the amount released by fossil fuels.

However, there are a number of issues that you need to consider with these systems, especially if installed in the home. Maintenance can be a factor, plus you may need to acquire permission from a local authority to install one.

8. Wind Energy

This form of energy generation has become increasingly popular in recent years. It offers much the same benefits that many other alternative fuel sources do in that it makes use of a renewable source and generates no waste.

Current wind energy installations power roughly twenty million homes in the United States per year and that number is growing. Most states in the nation now have some form of wind energy set-up and investment into the technology continues to grow.

Unfortunately, this form of energy generation also presents challenges. Wind turbines restrict views and may be dangerous to some forms of wildlife.

7. Geothermal Power

At its most basic, geothermal power is about extracting energy from the ground around us. It is growing increasingly popular, with the sector as a whole experiencing five percent growth in 2015.

The World Bank currently estimates that around forty countries could meet most of their power demands using geothermal power.

This power source has massive potential while doing little to disrupt the land. However, the heavy upfront costs of creating geothermal power plants has led to slower adoption than may have been expected for a fuel source with so much promise.

6. Natural Gas

Natural gas sources have been in use for a number of decades, but it is through the progression of compression techniques that it is becoming a more viable alternative energy source. In particular, it is being used in cars to reduce carbon emissions.

Demand for this energy source has been increasing. In 2016, the lower 48 states of the United States reached record levels of demand and consumption.

Despite this, natural gas does come with some issues. The potential for contamination is larger than with other alternative fuel sources and natural gas still emits greenhouse gases, even if the amount is lower than with fossil fuels.

5. Biofuels

In contrast to biomass energy sources, biofuels make use of animal and plant life to create energy. In essence they are fuels that can be obtained from some form of organic matter.

They are renewable in cases where plants are used, as these can be regrown on a yearly basis. However, they do require dedicated machinery for extraction, which can contribute to increased emissions even if biofuels themselves don’t.

Biofuels are increasingly being adopted, particularly in the United States. They accounted for approximately seven percent of transport fuel consumption as of 2012.

4. Wave Energy

Water again proves itself to be a valuable contributor to alternative energy fuel sources with wave energy converters. These hold an advantage over tidal energy sources because they can be placed in the ocean in various situations and locations.

Much like with tidal energy, the benefits come in the lack of waste produced. It is also more reliable than many other forms of alternative energy and has enormous potential when used properly.

Again, the cost of such systems is a major contributing factor to slow uptake. We also don’t yet have enough data to find out how wave energy converters affect natural ecosystems.

3. Hydroelectric Energy

Hydroelectric methods actually are some of the earliest means of creating energy, though their use began to decline with the rise of fossil fuels. Despite this, they still account for approximately seven percent of the energy produced in the United States.

Hydroelectric energy carries with it a number of benefits. Not only is it a clean source of energy, which means it doesn’t create pollution and the myriad issues that arise from it, but it is also a renewable energy source.

Better yet, it also offers a number of secondary benefits that are not immediately apparent. The dams used in generating hydroelectric power also contribute to flood control and irrigation techniques.

2. Nuclear Power

the case of Fukushima 

Nuclear power is amongst the most abundant forms of alternative energy. It creates a number of direct benefits in terms of emissions and efficiency, while also boosting the economy by creating jobs in plant creation and operation.

Thirteen countries relied on nuclear power to produce at least a quarter of their electricity as of 2015 and there are currently 450 plants in operation throughout the world.

The drawback is that when something goes wrong with a nuclear power plant the potential for catastrophe exists. The situations in Chernobyl and Fukushima are examples of this.

1. Solar Power

When most people think of alternative energy sources they tend to use solar power as an example. The technology has evolved massively over the years and is now used for large-scale energy production and power generation for single homes.

A number of countries have introduced initiatives to promote the growth of solar power. The United Kingdom’s ‘Feed-in Tariff’ is one example, as is the United States’ ‘Solar Investment Tax Credit’.

This energy source is completely renewable and the costs of installation are outweighed by the money saved in energy bills from traditional suppliers. Nevertheless, solar cells are prone to deterioration over large periods of time and are not as effective in unideal weather conditions.

In Conclusion

As the issues that result from the use of traditional fossil fuels become more prominent, alternative fuel sources like the ones mentioned here are likely to gain further importance.

Their benefits alleviate many of the problems caused by fossil fuel use, particularly when it comes to emissions. However, the advancement of some of these technologies has been slowed down due to the amount of investment needed to make them viable.

Through combining them all we may be able to positively affect issues like climate change, pollution and many others.

And then there are terrorists…

Africa – oil and gas
civil nuclear safety protocols
how real is the threat?

Trump, Bob Woodward and Miles of Tape….. Now the book is released. ‘Rage’ is a very good word for how I feel.

Trump, Bob Woodward and Miles of Tape….. Now the book is released. ‘Rage’ is a very good word for how I feel.

So white head politician and white head ‘journalist’ natter on for hours about Covid pandemic, Trump gets loose-lipped and it’s all out there.
Woodward says he held back the admissions to fact check them , cuzz Trump is liar in chief after all….
Now the book is out. Trump says he knew along how deadly the virus was and did nothing.
It was a little more than that though.
Do you remember when he withheld PPE from New York City when it was the epicenter? Made them pay for it out of their own pockets?
Do you remember when he could have made US companies produce PPE and ventilators, and didn’t? For the longest time.
Do you remember his assinine ideas of what people could do?
How about when he refused updates from Fauci?
Remember when he wanted the White House to get the data from the hospitals instead of the CDC?
Remember when he directed the FDA and CDC to change their reports?
Remember when he refused to share any vaccine that the US buys and/or makes?

Yeah stuff like that makes me think he was not only hiding things, but subverting them.


And where were the REPs and DEMs?
They knew what was going on, right? So why were they sitting on their fingers? Playing politics while people died?


Do you think it’d have made a difference if predominantly white men were the ones dying?



On Labour Day, Please Consider the Following Definitions

On Labour Day, Please Consider the Following Definitions

….section # 1 –

meritocracy –

government or the holding of power by people selected on the basis of their ability.

Capitalism –

an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state

Free enterprise, or the free market –

refers to an economy where the market determines prices, products, and services rather than the government. … Alternatively, free enterprise could refer to an ideological or legal system whereby commercial activities are primarily regulated through private measures..

labour union –

an organized association of workers, often in a trade or profession, formed to protect and further their rights and interests –
fair negotiation, fair salary and benefits, fair hours of work, equitable raises and representation, safe work place, free from sexual harassment

benefits –

wage parity –
ensuring that employees in the same (similar) job and location are paid fairly relative to one another, regardless of their gender or ethnicity.
terms of seniority
medical insurance
sick leave
workmen’s comp and EI
holiday pay
family leave – mat and pat leave, caregiver leave, grief time

…..section # 2 –

  • Now that most of these are legislated, what is the purpose of the union today?
  • When many unions are big corporations themselves, who does the union actually work for?

section # 3 –

How could most contracts be improved?
my suggestions –

  • Negotiate for things like paid education and apprenticeship opps.
  • Negotiate for downtime partial pay during economic freefalls like now.
  • Negotiate for a ‘good neighbour’ policy –
  • efforts to reduce the carbon foodprint.
  • efforts to make and maintain good relationships in the community where the company &/or franchise is located.
  • like joining charitable orgs, business committees, supporting local arts

…..Happy Labour Day!

When You Ask For Govt Aid In Canada — Workers, PWD, Govt and Labour Day Tomorrow

When You Ask For Govt Aid In Canada — Workers, PWD, Govt and Labour Day Tomorrow

Recently, there have been some articles and attention paid to the plight of seniors and people with disabilities (PWD) in the news due to the pandemic. People in a really wealthy, supposedly socialist-adjacent nation have really been left out of the support and recovery plans. And trying to find a way to express that has been occupying my mind. Because we can’t claim to be an ‘angel’ and tell others what to do if we’re failing so badly ourselves.

I’ve been communicating with feds and provvies on this issue and know other advocates who have as well.

But as usual, for every step forward, there are two steps back. Steps back that PWD just cannot afford. As they are already so far under the poverty line, they are applying for assisted suicide. They’ve given up hope.


So what is it that isn’t connecting with the people who deal with these subjects?

First off, PWD, depending on what their disability is, fall into two camps. They are split between the feds and the provvies. So typical to govt parties, PWD are only relevant to the parties and govt if they are covered within their mandate. Though the feds did pass on some money to the provvies….. Only some of which got shelled out.

So step #1 might be to gather everyone under the fed umbrella.

2nd, when CERB was handed out, it completely bypassed the PWD who cannot work. Which partly might be cuzz politicians are notorious for caring about two people/groups- corporations and taxpayers. Money for their coffers and campaigns.

And it looks like a UBI would be similarily weighted toward workers. Leaving out seniors and PWD.

Not all PWD can work, so they don’t pay taxes.

So how can you appeal for aid for people who don’t live on the radar of politicians?

For some parties, perception is critical too. They want to at least appear as if they care, and they want to be seen doing things that matter to Cdns. So how do PWD tap into that?

Some PWD can access NDP attention, if they were hurt or made ill on the job. NDP is supposed to be worker/union focused. That is it’s historic background. And there might be a little ‘but for the grace of God’ left over. Or at least there used to be. The NDP sound really CON-lite these days.

This ‘worker’ bias may or may not tap into vets who are injured or made ill due to stress or some chemical agent used in the theatre. But those who have actually held the govt seat (LIBs and CONs) may recognize they have a duty of care to the soldiers who they send out to protect the country, In a way they won’t for just random citizens who are ill or injured by… life, job, family predisposition. At least you’d hope. Not that it’s really proven out when so many homeless are vets.

Some PWD might get GREEN attention. If their illness was due to an environmental issue. (ie smog – asthma or cancer). Again, that is it’s historic background.

There will be common ailments (ie cancer, heart disease, strokes, car accidents, house fires, Alzheimers) that pretty much everyone knows about and no blame is attached to. They somehow exceed ‘lifestyle’ claims. And can be easily enough documented that no one doubts that you have them. Though concussions can be dubious to some.

And there is always the possibility that someone in the govt has something themselves or a family member does and they identify with those left behind by the system.

But that is always balanced out against the fact that they only have so much money to spread around if they want to balance the budget and give priority to businesses.

So what can be done to change this priority? You can’t. So how do you shift it?

By convincing businesses to sponsor disability issues or hire PWD to enter a govt subsidy program. (govt and business split the cost of the PWDs training and salary/benefits)

Because these days, businesses like to be perceived as a caring neighbour. It’s most likely if the CEO or someone in their family has the disability.


Housing is a critical issue. But no govt will build endless rows of tract houses and apts that are kitted out just for PWD. It costs too much.

So the way to circumvent that may be to have PWD stay where they are and subsidize that unit. Because community care is ALWAYS cheaper than congregant care. And it’s better for most people to manage in the community. Until they just can’t. It’s less liability too.

No building costs, insurance, maintenance, or extra policing req’d (if gangs move in to ‘help the poor’). But that is offset by the fact that when they are in housing, PWD offer each other emotional and social support that no amount of dollars can make up for and often improve in that environment.

Perception of those who are healthy and have money is that PWD are doing something that has hurt themselves, or held themselves back. And they must be managed like children.

So it’s even hard to get decently funded food banks. Which are really complicated issues. PWD have often worked and put money into tax and work pensions. And have a much easier time accepting those funds as theirs by right. Rather than a charitable donation. It’s a pride thing.

So things like health care and food programs have to be tied to these. No govt or party will freely give funds to PWD that might be used for something else (ie drugs, alcohol, cigs, entertainment) rather than promoting health and independence. You have to deal with the people and their biases as they actually are, instead of wishing them away, right?

What if like the OHIP card mixed with food stamps, they had a card that they and a service provider (doctor, nutritionist, dietician, P/nurse) could load with their diet plan and food likes/tolerances and then they could shop at any store they wish?

Pretty much all you’d be left with is safety and mobility equipment then. Scooters, wheelchairs, walkers, canes, replacement limbs, braces, guide or asst dogs, glasses, hearing aids, landline phones and panic button/fall alert services. But these would be more case specific, Not something to hand out to everyone.

And on a larger level, transportation and accessible buildings and thru-fares like sidewalks.

These days, we know that people are being left behind. So if ever there was a time to re-evaluate how and why PWD have the needs and what we as a rich nation can do for them, maybe it’s now?

But knowing the problem exists is not the same as getting people to let go of their biases and graspy response when someone they don’t care about reaches for their wallet.

And that is after all what PWD are doing now. It is justified, but just asking for their pension to be doubled won’t get them anything. Esp not when the govts are already shelling out more than they’re taking in in taxes. And that isn’t likely to change soon.

Yet now is when people are seeing the seniors and PWD, so something has to be asked, right?

Because leaving PWD and seniors unprovided for puts them at further risk due to the pandemic, which places us all at risk.

Corporatocracy Gone Mad? Globalization Insanity? How do 12 People Have So Much?

Corporatocracy Gone Mad? Globalization Insanity? How do 12 People Have So Much?


Twelve U.S. Billionaires Have a Combined $1 Trillion –

The Oligarchic Dozen are:

…..At the same time…..

the pandemic has caused historically record high unemployment, homelessness, starvation and world-wide civil unrest…. So which political party do they back? Cuzz they’re getting an extra piece, or trillion, of the pie, aren’t they?

When you ‘other’ or ‘lump’ Someone Based on Presumptions or Biases

When you ‘other’ or ‘lump’ Someone Based on Presumptions or Biases

From the beginning of time, people have believed and they have fought over those beliefs. Empires have risen and fallen, slaves have been held and freed, women have been chattel and freed….

Yet thru the eyes of fear and prejudice, when you look at someone, your first reaction is to make assumptions based on what is immediately known to you. Sometimes based on what is taught to you, and sometimes based on what you have previously experienced.

Even when you know the groups you are personally involved in are disparate, you still do it.

I was raised in a crazily fundie group, that I knew was separated by many arguments and life differences, but joined by faith in a common spirit/man/prophet. The teachings of the new Testament on Christ.

I was taught as a youngster that the world was evil and we should keep ourselves separate from it. And there was certainly cause to support that. It didn’t stop our church from taking in refugees or helping in disasters. But it made the church forge it’s own way based on what Christ taught.

We were meant to be stewards of the earth and it’s people in a way that meant spreading love and justice thru it held to. But still as separate from it’s influence toward evil. Things like commercialism.

It was difficult not to understand that the church may have been the fruit of the teachings of Christ and his disciples, but it was broken. Humans now ran it, bickered over the meaning of what the Bible said and how we should live as a result.

I guess that meant that I learned the church wasn’t perfect. And having a family that had serious issues, but were still church elders really kept me from commitment to that.

But many reasons for the beliefs that I have now came from that rearing. I still believe that we are stewards of the earth and it’s people. That we should take in and help those in need. And Christ had a good message, that Buddha, Zarathustra, Confucius… Eastern and Western First Nation shamans and prophets had in common. That love will get us thru more than hate ever will. And we should try to work together for the good of us all.


When I am looked at, and say how I was raised, people presume things about me that just aren’t true though. Often due to bad examples rather than my own life and experience.

Even when they know that their own people were not homogenous.

It’s about fear judgments rather than getting to know someone. It presumes that the faith of my childhood is the same one I have now. Despite any evidence to the contrary. Even though they know their faith and experience have changed. grown, adapted.


I see this a lot on social media esp. It’s rubbed me raw during the pandemic, and the BIPOC protests and counter-demonstrations. How often these misunderstandings come down to people just not being willing to listen and talk.

It’s so much a fear response that is going to destroy, separate and possibly even cause a race war or civil war in the USA that may spread thru the world. Maybe it already has. And that really worries me.

I just wish I knew what to do or say to help people understand that this doesn’t need to be and to stop listening to the divisive politicians.

We all are people, we all have families and friends we care about. And if we could, we would all place love before hate. As our prophets have taught us.


And we all have histories where our forefathers have gotten things wrong. To the point where they should have been held accountable for them.

They weren’t all held accountable and their errors/sins weren’t the same, to the same people either.

Some of these sects were friends. Some were enemies. In the same era.

So how do we find a way to heal these wrongs and come together as people of the 21st century? Embracing the past, and learning the lessons, instead of accumulating hate and grief? Justified or not.

I wish I knew.

…. for eg the separations of the Christian church

+30,000 Christian organizations
there are more than 30,000 Christian organizations (groups, branches or denominations) worldwide, and more than 1,200 in the U.S. alone


There are major theological questions and eras that split the church. Like the Anabaptists and Jews for Christ.


And there are ways of life as well. Like the doctrine of separation from the world. Some conservative, fundamentalists engage in. Living in communities or communes rather than multi-belief cities or towns.
But has more often separated the church from each other, than the Church from the world. Or it’s evils. Esp as the population grows.